2010 Harleys

[CrossBonesRick]

Originally Posted by jmk713

I think he's gonna have his hands full getting these all sold......expecially since the prices are high, trade in allowance bad, the economy bad, and local riders getting tired of spending $20,000 and then having to spend a couple of grand more to get'em to run "right".

Not sure what you mean by "riders getting tired of spending $20,000 and then having to spend a couple of grand more to get'em to run "right"". I've had my 2008 CB for over a year now, spent about $18,000 on it and it has run "right" from day one. You sound like one of thoes guys who trolls American bike forums trying to stirr up trouble and tell everyone the benefits of riding metrics.

I don't think too many here would say they spent $20,000 and had to spend more to make them run "right". You don't seem to know what your talking about mate. What kind of bike do you ride?

[Hammerhead Pat]

I would guess he's refering to have to splurge for a higher flow filter and pipes to wake up the bike and richen it up a little. And I totally agree with him!

[JCourneyaP]

Well Rick....

JMK has been on this forum for sometime. Yes you can get a bike under 20,000. But do they run as they should?? Well I guess that be the riders prefrence.

IMO the bikes run way to lean due to the environmental Nazis. Most should also come with an oil cooler "Stock". There are some design flaws. The aftermarket "products" have taken care of some of those. That is a reason a good number of us have tinkered and replaced to bring them up to are own specs. Face it. Harley Davidson is a company producing a product to the masses and trying to make it affordable. Some corners are going to get cut.

Besides. Folks have different tastes. If the bike was 100 percent perfect what would they do for the next years model?

For the most part these Harleys are good machines. No complaints from me really.

I modify all vehicles I own. To my liking. If I don't like the base model I don't purchase.

[Tbone]

Originally Posted by Hammerhead Pat

I would guess he's refering to have to splurge for a higher flow filter and pipes to wake up the bike and richen it up a little. And I totally agree with him!

I agree. I paid 17,000 and later the high flow air filter, pipes (for sound), and PCIII (for lean a/f ratio) w/ dyno tune cost me right at $800. I added an oil cooler even later at $250. And I supplied all of the labor except for the dyno tune - it was all labor.
Add that up and it comes to, yep, $1,000.
Of course, you might argue, that I really didn't need to change all of that or add the cooler. My choice. I could still be riding a stock quiet enviro-nazi machine. NOT.

[CrossBonesRick]

I understand what you are all saying in that regard, but as Tbone says, it is his taste that makes him add or change these things on his bike, not that the bike wasn't good from the git-go. The way I read the original remark was that the stock HD was crap that needed to be tweeked or added to to make it run right. And that isn't the case. I know many owners who ride stock and love the way their bikes run. If you want to modify it due to your tastes that is not the companies fault. Nore does that make the bikes crap.

It makes me think of the guys who always put down the 1911 .45 pistols as loose and needing to be modified to make them accurate. I own two of them, a standard military 1911 Springfield and a Commander 1911 Springfield. Both are very tight fit and finish and accurate right out of the box. To hear some talk the guns I own are crap until you change out a bunch of items on them to make them shoot like they should. I know better. Some speak from what they hear or what they might experence, but they are generalizing. I feel that is the case here.

If and when I choose to do my modifications to my bike, it isn't because HD didn't make a good product well worth the cost I paid, it is because my tastes make me want to modify it to reflect my style. And believe me, I will make this bad assed bike darker than HD ever rolled it off the assembly line. But that doesn't take away from the way it rolled off the factory line.

I guess I get pissed when I hear people gripe about something that is their own choice and not a flaw or defect in the original design. My bad if I came off as an expert. I am not. But this is my opinion. Only that.

[jmk713]

I didn't intend to knock Harleys or stir up an arguement either. I ride a 2002 Lowrider and only did the re-jet, intake, and pipe route which I have been satisfied with after 33,000 miles.My point was mainly directed at the local dealer, not at the brand. I also agree that the degree of modification is entirely up to the individual as well as how much he or she wants to spend. Sorry if anyone took offense...none was intended.

[pkallus]

As I am in the market for a Harley I am interested in what has been said. When some of you referenced installing an "air cooler", I was confused. Is this needed and how does it work? I am familiar with air filters. Thanks.

Paul

[TylerG]

I've been checking out the Harleys on the site and I noticed that a few of the models I was looking at, I don't know about all of them, went up in price from last year. The bike that I want, the Iron 883, went up $100. Does this happen every year?

[evoKENevo]

Originally Posted by pkallus

As I am in the market for a Harley I am interested in what has been said. When some of you referenced installing an "air cooler", I was confused. Is this needed and how does it work? I am familiar with air filters. Thanks.

Paul

Hi Paul
If you go back and re-read what's here you'll find that they're referring to "oil coolers" not "air coolers"..

[street bob]

pkallus, here's what most riders do right out of the shoot. Only to make the engine run even better. From the stock set-up, they will run lean. this is only to cool them down and get better performance....
High flow air filter, free flowing exhaust, fuel management.