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Old 06-05-2008, 11:03 AM
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It seems that our federal government has taken our best interest to heart and decided that we will be putting gasoline with 10% ethanol into our - car - boats - motorcycles ... so the obvious question is - what is going to happen?

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Well, as many times as this has been talked about I am happy to see it still being a concern because it should be.. It should be pissing everyone off..
First off,, we will all get even less mileage because the Ethanol will lower the BTU's of the already (btu) lowered gas we are allowed to buy..
Auto gas used to be 125,000 BTU's per gallon.. Only a few years ago it was lowered to approx. 120,000 BTU's..
Now with 10% ethanol it will be even lower.. The less BTU's the less energy, the less energy the less efficient a gallon of gas will be..
The less efficient the gas the less power and distance each gallon will get you..
Look it up..

Not to mention the possible damage to hoses, gaskets and whatever is susceptible..
We must drill for our own OIL darn-it..!!
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Old 06-06-2008, 09:35 AM
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I know I have seen these posts before but I guess it just dawned on me the possible problems this is going to cause....hoses - gaskets - couplings - less efficient gas mileage......
Did you see they are finally going to allow a refinery to be built in Wyoming - after having appled for it over 30 years ago????? Our government at work.
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Yep...it's a "bummer" alright !!!
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Well if your a farmer you love the idea. Corn is up to $5 a bushel. Which in tern raises food costs for everyone.
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Here in Illinois, we have been running 10% ethanol for years. I haven't had any problems with the bike,truck or outboard. I wouldn't dispute the lost of power or milage, though,with the rare expection of a trip out west,where you could buy gas without ethanol, my vehicles have run nothing but "E10". I haven't had the chance to compare running 100% gasoline.
However, that being said, the article I read in USA Today said the federal goverment wanted to raise ethanol levels to 20 %. I woudn't feel as comfortable with that,especially in a two-stroke motor.
If oil prices keep going up, we'll have to convert all our Harley motors to diesel and run them off used french fry oil
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Well if your a farmer you love the idea. Corn is up to $5 a bushel. Which in tern raises food costs for everyone.
This is from our department of Agriculture here in Florida.
They estimate that the rise in food price by the extra use of corn is only three percent, the rest is from increased fuel cost. But I will let you read the article, this was from last week.

Bronson Calls For Federal Probe Of Fuel Prices
Florida Agriculture and Consumer Services Commissioner Charles H. Bronson called on Congress and the Bush Administration to launch full and thorough investigations into skyrocketing fuel prices which are threatening the state and U.S. economy, as well as jeopardizing national security.
At the same time, Bronson is urging Congress to resist efforts to slow down the production of ethanol and bio-diesel, arguing that the production of alternative fuels is the most effective option in assuring that fuel prices moderate and that future energy costs are affordable.
Toward that end, Bronson, who serves as the state's primary consumer protection official as head of the Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services, said it is imperative that Congress and the White House initiate comprehensive investigations into all aspects of the oil business, including production, trading by investors and speculators, and ultimately the marketing and sale of fuel.
What Congress must resist, he argued, are rumblings in Washington to limit the production of alternative fuels because of criticism that ethanol produced by corn is a significant factor in higher food prices because it removes a portion of the nation=s corn production from the human and animal food chain.
In fact, the President's Council of Economic Advisors estimates that only 3 percent of the total increase in food prices this year is attributable to corn that is being diverted for ethanol production. Analysts say the most significant factors in increasing food costs are higher fuel prices, greater demand in countries such as China and India, and droughts in several major food-producing nations.
In January 2006, Bronson unveiled Florida's "Farm to Fuel" initiative, a program designed to use Florida's more than 10 million acres of farm and timber land to produce ethanol and bio-diesel as a means of keeping Florida land in open green space and in an effort to reduce the state and nation's dependency on foreign oil.
What Bronson's plan envisions is the primary reliance on cellulosic material, wood, grasses and other biomass, to produce alternative fuels.
To date, 14 companies and universities have received $30 million in state energy grants under the "Farm to Fuel" program to construct commercial ethanol or bio-diesel plants or conduct demonstration projects designed to show the feasibility of alternative energ
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I live in a county in Wisconsin that regular 87 octane fuel has 10% ethanol. That is not a problem with the bike, as I run premium fuel in it. Now my other vehicles are another story, as I run regular 87 octane in them. The county to the west of me does not have , or does not post it, have ethanol added to their fuel. I realize about a 8-10% gain in fuel mileage using non-ethanol fuel. My mini van (Sucks that a guy that rides has a mini van) is capable of E-85. I do not and will not run that crap in the van.
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Here in Illinois, we have been running 10% ethanol for years. I haven't had any problems with the bike,truck or outboard. I wouldn't dispute the lost of power or milage, though,with the rare expection of a trip out west,where you could buy gas without ethanol, my vehicles have run nothing but "E10". I haven't had the chance to compare running 100% gasoline.
However, that being said, the article I read in USA Today said the federal goverment wanted to raise ethanol levels to 20 %. I woudn't feel as comfortable with that,especially in a two-stroke motor.
If oil prices keep going up, we'll have to convert all our Harley motors to diesel and run them off used french fry oil
Why would you want to convert to diesel it is still more expensive then gas. French fries do smell good though.

Here in Minnesota even the diesel is 2% soy diesel.
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I just gotta make a .txt file I can cut and paste to keep posting all the things wrong with ethanol:

Robs power and MPG

Attracts water (hygroscopic)

Over 15% and it'll start eating the soft parts (gaskets, etc.) then start eating the metal starting with the fuel line, tank, and valves.

Costs more to make a gallon of ethanol than it does a gallon of gas, but it's subsidized - so we get to pay for it literally and figuratively.

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