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How about something here that states the rules as written and in some plain talk. I'm on other sites and some of things I'm seeing are just getting more and more twisted with conjecture and misunderstanding. Something I could cut & paste, and print out for some of my more luddite friends, would be a great thing.
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I've not seen anything really definitive on this either. The closest was the articles in AIM. If it goes as it usually does with "regulations"; it will be left to individual interpretation until your state epa decides on an enforcement method; and so far I haven't heard anything on that either except in Calif., where they apparently have done spotty "busts" of a few shops.
From the advertising in various magazines; most of the aftermarket seems to be taking a wait and see attitude with simple add-ons such as pipes, air filters etc.
I have noticed that small bike builders have begun stating that their product is epa compliant......that would remain to be seen though. Depends on if your talking to a fairly large operation or your "local" small town builder.
It seems here in my area, things are pretty much the same as they were before the "new" regs.
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I don't kow about anyone else, but when I clicked the "Click here for improtant EPA Information" banner I expected actual information, not just a form.
It'd be great to see a line by line tacling of the EPA regs in legalese, then a translation into english and what it actually means to bikers and the bike industry, OEM and aftermarket, at various levels.
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From what I've read and heard...the "new" regs are a reiteration of the "old" regs with stricter emissions regs added over the years from '79 to present. The newer your ride; the more regs apply. Basically from '79 on, if you have changed your pipes, air filtration system, cams, gearing, tire sizes, etc...in other words any variation from stock, unless done with eps approved parts; makes you illegal.
Enforcement, on the other hand, leaves a LOT of room for interpretation. Loud pipes for example; would be left to the determination of the cop at the time of the stop. Other less obvious violations, would have to be found while testing the bike; which I don't see being done on a large scale.
In a nutshell...the pipes are what would get you "noticed" and the rest could follow.....if the arresting officer chose to make an issue of it.
I still can't see this being done on anything but a random scale here in the Mid-West.
We do have one city that has recently published an article in the newspaper stating that they are going to be "watching" for loud pipes on bikes AND cars. Solution to that would be either short shift, baffle your pipes, or stay clear of that town.
I once had a patrol car stop near me while I was digging sunglasses out of my bags and proceeded to check the bike out while pretending to check to see if I was broken down. He went to the extent of shoving a nightstick up the pipes...checking for baffles, I assume... Didn't issue any ticket though. This little incident happened 15 years ago, and no one was complaining about bikes at that time.
Just an example of how little it takes to get the attention of the "man"
The last several years, I ride primarily alone, and as far from towns of any size as I can. No traffic, no cops, just a few "critters" from time to time.
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Most cops leave you alone as long as the pipes are baffled. Loudness is very subjective, so a reg that pipes have to be baffled (which is better for the bike anyway) rather than inconsistant rules and testing would make the majority on all sides happy.
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