'06 EPA Regs Harley Emission & EPA Laws Discuss '06 EPA Regs in the Harley Tech & Harley How-to forums; I've asked this before and i'll ask it again. Wasn't there mention that the pre-06 bikes would be grandfathered? If not i believe a class action suit could be filed ...

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I've asked this before and i'll ask it again. Wasn't there mention that the pre-06 bikes would be grandfathered? If not i believe a class action suit could be filed against the aftermarket, every Harley dealer in the country and possibly Harley Davidson themselves, because they've been breaking the law for the last 28 years. I would like some answers to this!

Posted by: mtyevo on Jan 28, 06 5:30:09 pm

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"grandfathering" is all talk right now, Evo
Still - good points. HD dealers are still doing conversions everyday. Technically - all 95" and 103" HD conversions being done are 100% illegal. You'd think they would be liable but you and I don't have their lawyers or lobbyists. I think we'll end up getting screwed.

Posted by: CHUDFXD on Jan 29, 06 10:03:29 pm

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How many people that bought used bikes that have been modified are going to get fined? So poor schlub, and probably a new rider, is going to get pulled over for some slip-ons (and whatever else the nice officer can find in his handy motorcycle violation checklist) and fined $10K per day, per "violation" going back to when the bike came off the line for something someone else did. Who's going to be able to pay for that? I can't.
Do I get to go to prison because I can't pay the fines for the SE II's, the K&N, etc...that the previous owners put on? I keep hearing fines. When you can't pay fines what do they do? I don't hear anyone talking about that. I'd like to know!

Posted by: Majicbringer on Jan 30, 06 1:41:48 am

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I am also curious as to the "grandfathering" of pre-2006 bikes; as well as the used bike that was modified before the last person bought it.
Also; the fact that Harley dealers as well as aftermarket dealers, and small repair shops are in large part, not even aware of any of the "new" laws.
It seems to me that there will have to be some sort of grandfathering in order to keep from a large number of bikes being illegal to license, insure, or ride.
This could and will affect insurance companies as well as shops; and I can't see these insurance companies holding still while part of there business goes away.
Best possible scenerio will be if AIM, MRF etc can get this stopped BEFORE it gets out of hand.
I was even told by one nationally known shop that in their opinion even a brand new bike right off the showroom floor might not pass.

Posted by: jmk713 on Jan 30, 06 4:09:22 pm

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I think CHUD has it right, i think we're all going to get screwed in the end. One other thing, i don't agree to the "PAY TO PLAY" that i've been hearing about because in the end we're going to be the ones paying the tab! Do you think they're going to swallow the added costs? I don't think so! It'll just be passed on to us. And think about it, it just winds up being an EPA tax because the law was intended to reduce emissions and if it's pay to play the law does nothing to clean up the air anyway. I think the epa has alot of other things to worry about than the little bit that we put out!

Posted by: mtyevo on Jan 30, 06 7:33:24 pm

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My question is this: where is this coming from?
Every day I can drive to and from work, in Orlando, and see anywhere from 10-30 cars, mostly small foreign ones, with modified exhausts, added spoilers and different tires...let alone what's been changed under the hood. I see 1 or 2 harleys and maybe a crotch rocket or two. These may possibly be modified in some way but hard to determine blowing down the highway. RARELY do I ever see a V-twin custom on the road.
With more cylinders in these cars, and more numbers of them on the road, why single out motorcycles now??? Shouldn't the focus be on something that would have a larger impact???
Besides, if that were to happen, we'd have additional time to band together...

Posted by: z_hawkeye on Jan 31, 06 3:18:24 pm

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I wouldn't mind a modest "pay to play" tax if I knew the money was going for something like delevoping alternative fuels or tech that will work with my existing bike or something that actually does something for the enviroment. Converting my Sporty to run bio-diesel isn't really practical; and seeing that money going to some bridge-to-nowhere pork or giving fuel companies money to go exploring for more oil isn't doing anything for me either.

Posted by: Majicbringer on Feb 6, 06 11:48:15 pm

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Jeeeeze,,, if the oil companies don't explore for more oil you'll be forced to change to bio-diesel...
Tell me, what other alternative fuel would you be satisfied with, a wind generator on yer damn sissy bar, 400 lbs. of batteries, or perhaps a fuel cell the size of a bus tied on with a bunge cord...
According to Popular Science, efficient fuel cells small enough for practical use are about twenty years away... That issue is about a year old...

You're right about the bridge to nowhere but I want em to drill for oil wherever they find it...

Posted by: frisco-rigid on Feb 7, 06 1:27:19 am

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Pay to Play!!!! Dont we all pay enough already ? They should bother trucking companies who's trucks blow diesel smoke. This whole EPA thing is just another bulls@*t deal if you ask me. Millions of cars and trucks and the EPA wants to bother people on motorcycles. I think there are other things to do than bother people who own motorcycles. How about those smoke stax that continue to blow toxic smoke when people are sleeping !!! The EPA's rules dont make any sence to me, your exempt if this and then that. so many bikes a year bla bla bla. I wont pay a cent more than what I pay for registration if it was up to me. You paid tax on the bike you paid a fee for plates, regestration ect. Pay More !! NOPE.

Posted by: 2005softtail on Feb 8, 06 1:03:15 am

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I agree! I will NOT pay additional money to be able to ride my scooter with the modifications that should have been made by the factory. It's bad enough we have to change pipes, jetting, airfilters etc just to get the damn things to run properly.
As far as polluting vehicles go; I also agree...target the Semi's, planes, buses, automobiles, factories,etc. and leave the small polluters alone until they address all the rest.
I still have a hard time figuring out how the EPA can possibly "test" all the vehicles on the road without running the risk of eliminating a large portion of vehicle plate sales, insurance sales etc. Looks like this would cost these industries a lot more than they would want to lose.
Sounds like a rogue politician trying to slip it to the public again. Remember Raplh Nader and the Corvair???

Posted by: jmk713 on Feb 8, 06 1:47:40 pm