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Old 05-24-2007, 11:37 AM
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I have a 2005 Ultra Classic. The HD dealer instaled a S.E.103 kit. I have to clean the air filter from crankcase blow by about every 800 miles. The dealer said this is a normal side effect from the engine upgrade. Is this True?
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This is true. The shop that did my '95' inch told me the best fix is to run a new vent hose with a filter down to the frame.If you look at any bike that has had motor work done you'll see want I'm talking about.
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Same thing happened when my bike was new. Dealer and several buddies mentioned the oil level was overserviced. Sure enough, when cold and on the jiffy stand the dipstick was at the line. When engine is warm and bike level the dipstick was way over the line. Excess oil blew out the air filter. Messy.
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Old 05-24-2007, 11:39 AM
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Dear Harley Friends

Here is my problem! In October of 2005 I purchased a new 2006 Harley Ultra Classic from the dealer. Prior to taking delivery I had the dealer upgrade the engine to the 95CUI kit, which included the high flow heads, high compression pistons, 203 cam, Harley race Tuner kit, Stage I breather, and a set of Reinhardt True Duel exhausts. Other than the exhaust all parts were Harley made and installed. All work was performed by the dealer. I took delivery in early October and road the bike throughout the fall and occasionally during the winter, as we had a fairly mild winter here in the North East. The bike ran fine with no problems. The bike never sat for more than a month without being run and was kept in an attached garage, where the temp never got lower than 45 degrees. In mid March I called the dealer and arranged to bring the bike in for its first service. At this point I had put 1200 miles on the engine. The dealer asked if I wanted to use Syn 3 oil and I said yes. After the service I road the bike home and it sat for a few days, then I went for 250 mile ride and I noticed excessive blow-by coming from the air cleaner. So much oil would accumulate in the air cleaner housing that when the bike was parked it would literally pour out in a steady stream down the side of the engine, not mention the mess on me and the bike that was cause by the blowing oil. I checked the oil and discovered that in the course of going 250 miles the bike was already ½ quart low. I brought the bike back to the dealer immediately. After two weeks they said the problem was an oil pump that was out of alignment and they had road tested (50 miles) the bike and found no problem. I picked up the bike, road the six miles home and found no blow-by. The bike sat for two days. Then on the following Monday I took the bike out for another long ride, about 65 miles in to the ride I checked the air cleaner and there was oil leaking once again from the air cleaner housing. I turned around went back to the dealer and showed them the mess! In addition the blow-by was so bad it got on my rear break rotor and stopping became difficult. In addition I checked the oil and it was now down almost a full quart! The air temp during both rides never exceeded 60 degrees.

So what do you think is the cause of this excessive blow-buy coming from the air cleaner? I know that overfilling can cause this, but I checked the level according to the manual and it was not even close to being over full! I believe I broke the bike properly, keeping the RPM’s within a range of 1500 to 3000 never lugging or excessively racing the engine. I varied my speed and thought I had done everything correctly. Everything was fine until the first oil change, now it leaks like an Exxon Tanker? There is no smoke coming from the exhaust and other than the oil problem it runs extremely well? Do you think it could be rings, or a faulty oil pump, the Syn 3 oil instead of the regular oil, or something else? Please help; I have over $26,000 invested in this my third Harley. After reading your two letters I refuse to accept the fact that a bike I paid $26K for leaks like a piece of junk! Help!!!!

Lou from NJ
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To much oil in the crankcase. Give the syn a couple of changes at about 2000k each. Change it youself I don't have much faith in Harley Dlr techs until you find a good one.
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Ask around you will find a good tech somewhere. I can tell you nitemare stories all about oil from HD Dlrs ( my wife works at one 7 years now) the syn is ok either a gasket rubber ring or just to full they dont por from a bottle they dial it out od 15 gal containers.
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I just wanted to thank all of you who took the time to reply to my previous message. The bike has been at the dealer for about a week and they have been in touch with the “master” technicians in Milwaukee. They suggested several tests and the bike still leaked. The head service guy at my dealer said he was authorized to take the entire top end off and check the rings and other internal parts. I have to say the dealer has offered to loan me another bike while mine is in the shop, so I really can’t be too upset with them. I will keep you posted on the progress of the repair and hopefully, when they finally figure out what is causing the problem I can share the info with you, so others don’t have to go through what I am now experiencing. I am keeping my fingers crossed!

Lou
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Because the dealer was authorized to pull the top end off and they offered to give you a loaner bike that's telling me that they know that it's more than just your "NORMAL" blow-by. Once they find the problem you might want to have them install a product called"MYSTFREE" by "Doherty Machine" when they are putting it back together to take care of any "NORMAL" blow-by. Also you can slightly enlarge the holes in the breather bolts which will also help with the normal blow-by.
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Thanks for the tip on the Mystfree product. I am going to get one installed. It looks like it bolts right in without too much trouble. While the rocker box covers are off it shouldn't be too big a deal. Thanks again. Just one final thought! This is my third Harley and the second with a 95" upgrade. I had no problem with blowby on a 200 ultra I traded in for my present bike, however just about every article I read about this situation says that Blowby will happen. Shouldn't Harley tell people that this is a possibility and then let them decide to go ahead with the upgrade? Has MCN or AIM done any articles on this? I read about Buzz's up grade and there was no mention of this possibley happening? Just wondering?? Makes me think I should have left well enough alone and kep the bike stock!

Lou
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Whaaaat,,??
Stock bike,,,???
What fun is that..?
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