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Old 09-15-2009, 11:22 AM
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evoKenevo,
The coil I'm running now is the Twin Fire II but was not sure if I could run it with the Dyna S. I just bought a new Dyna S kit with coils (DSK6-2) on eBay 30 min ago in the USA for $100 plus $40 shipping to Australia from a private seller. I also just found out that the kit comes with weights and springs which cancels my question to frisco-rigid and it looks like I'm going old school heh! With the various issues in the multiple threads I'm running in here I have to keep costs down where I can. If I can run my old coil I might have to ebay the new coils or keep them as spares.
thanks for the input
Bill
Just checked Dennis Kirk catalog again...and found that the Twin Fire II Coil is...
"Not for use with Dyna S single fire electronic ignition systems or Twin Cam applictions"

And...according to Dennis Kirk, the Dyna S system must be used with two special Dyna coils. (their part#20-0114) that I ass-ume are the ones you recieved.
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Old 09-15-2009, 01:47 PM
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Hi Bill

Ken's sugg of the 2000i woulda been a fine way to go also if you had chosen that,,, and NO you should not run your 3 Ohm Single-fire coil with the Dyna S kit you ordered..
The Dyna S requires 5 Ohm coils.. You got a great deal..!!

I did run a Dyna S with a 3 Ohm Spyke Single-fire coil several years ago for about a week with No apparent damage to anything but only as an experiment and knowing that bad things woulda happened if I continued..

The points-style advance weights is correct.. I have a trick to tweak the advance curve with them if you are interested and of course you can change,, mix-n-match the diff weight springs to get your fav advance curve..

That wee bit more messing around is worth it I think, but it's also why I included,, just for your Info,, that the Crane Ign. for example, is more of a plug-n-play unit..

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Old 09-15-2009, 06:08 PM
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frisco-rigid,
I don't usually rush into buying when I have only just heard about something new to me but your earlier post regading the reliability of the Dyna S in high temps was the clincher for me. Our seasons in Oz are the opposite of yours so it is early spring here, but our summers are between 85 and 105 degrees. Plus I did look up the list price of the DSK6-2 and found a new kit in an old style box on eBay with a $100 buy it now with someone already making a minimum bid and the listing was ending today. I had to ask the seller if he would ship to me here as his listing was for shipping to the USA only. We had several emails last night back and forth and I was privliged to hear his story of having to sell a long planned new bike he was building, a part at a time so he could pay his bills and keep a roof over his head. This guy was still able to see a brighter future ahead of him and knows that when the economy is better he will build another bike. The economy here hit rock bottom too. I moved here 4 years ago from the UK and it took me 3 years to get full time work. I earn enough to support my family but not enough to save. In todays world that makes me pretty lucky and it felt good to be able to afford to pay a guys full price so he could pay one of his bills. I realise this is off topic but I was impressed by his attitude and you should be proud to be american. I have lived in the USA as well as Canada in the past and found that the attitudes there are very similar to here in Oz. Back on topic I made contact with Headquarters via email and had a discussion going with them until I said I had been told that my ignition was wrong for my application. Not heard a word since! I did look at the Crane also but it was more than I could afford and to tell the truth I understand mechanical stuff more than electronic and I like the idea of being able to adjust the Dyna. I may be asking you about that later. I will be trying out your timing method tomorrow on the Headquarters unit. Cheers Bill
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Old 09-16-2009, 09:09 AM
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Pure and simple.

F**K Crane!

Plastic ****in garbage!

The crane ignition cam pick ups after only 200 miles


Notice its all plastic. The unit is imported from who knows where. It self gernaded.


When I called Crane about it, they had no problems with replacing it but there were over 700 units on back order. NO ONE had one in the country. Crane was waiting for some parts to come in from a supplier. aka china crap. Told me that it would be 8 weeks out for a replacement. When I asked WTF am I suppose to do with my bike with no ignition for 8 weeks in the middle of the summer. His reply, put in the old stock ignition, and when I told him there wasn't one, he had nothing. F CRANE!

Spoke to some people about the most obvious alternative, Dyna 2ki. Called and spoke to a tech at Dyna in Cali. He assured me that they make every piece of that unit IN HOUSE. That they would never expect a customer to wait for a warrentied unit. So I picked one up locally and when my warrentied crane came in, I simply returned it to the shop I bought it from. It was new and never installed.

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Old 09-16-2009, 04:42 PM
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Hiya frisco-rigid,
I finally got an answer from Headquarters regarding if their ignition was right for my bike?

(HQ) It will work on your relatively stock motor. You will be able to lean the fuel mix a bit more than normal to offset.

I never mentioned this before but mentioning the mixture reminds me that I get terrible gas mileage 15km/litre and this bike does not like to run lean. I ride with a guy with a 94 Heritage who gets 22km/litre on the same ride.
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Old 09-17-2009, 12:12 AM
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Hey Bill

That's all they said..??
Sounds like Gobbleygoop to me..

I personally would Not lean the mix in a short advance like it has..
The CompuFire Ign. that came with my 120" and is identical to that HQ Ign,, and lasted only 3 months,, had the identical rate of advance and was designed for Hi-Comp Hi-Perf motors like my 120"..
It ran like crap using it..
The Crane Ign. designed for use with my 127" also had that rate and also ran like crap..
My point---- Their own site states it's for Hi-Cmp motors which is also kinda synonymous with HI-Perf---- sooo, I think they're just rationalizing their mistake in recommending it for your mostly stock motor.. My guess..

But hey, remember,, you said it ran good for several years and anyway,, after you get the timing squared away, whether with the HQ unit or the new Dyna,, I suspect it'll all feel quite diff..

Timing should be Finalized Before A/F adjustments..

You're getting about 37 Miles Per Gallon at 15k's per Litre.. Not very good..
Finish that timing and the other issues,,, then we'll tackle your poor mileage with that crappy S&S carb,, oooops, did I say that out loud..

My Hi-Comp 80" got about 41 with an E, now gets 46 and more power with a 45 Mik..
My 93" shovel got about 37 with an E and 39 with a B, now gets over 46 and more power with a 45 Mik..
My 120" and 127" got about 35 and 30+ respectively with a G..
Now they get 40 and 36 with a 48 Mik with waaay more power..

Just throwing that in..
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Old 09-17-2009, 02:41 AM
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Throwing this in, 46 mpg US or 19.7 km/lt with my 85 Evo and Super E, under the best of conditions and no more than 65 mph.
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Old 09-21-2009, 02:27 AM
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frisco-rigid,
Problem was not battery as that tested out aok. I have pulled the inner primary to change seals & pulley chasing an oil leak. I will do your timing method before fitting the Dyna S and see what that does.
Will be putting it all back together wednesday.
Bill
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