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Old 05-25-2007, 01:08 PM
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My 1990 FXSTC has just recently been reborn - it's got a new ignition system, Mikuno 42, and cams - it's showed an increase of about 25% HP on the dyno. I'm pretty pleased with it. In fact, I was on the road almost 8 hours last weekend and I was running pretty steafdy at 75mph with the engine running about 2,700rpm.

There's only one small problem - I notice there's a lot of oil on the right side of the bike - I'm guessing that it's spewing from the crnckcase breather filter - I've got one of those breathers that sticks up about 6" with a filter on the end.

Why is this thing spitting now and not before?
What can I do about it?

What else might be causing the oil spewing?

Thanks y'all

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Blackthorne,

I have never torn apart a FXSTC. I do have a 2004 Sportster 883C that I upgraded That had a similar problem. I have pulled some real boners while wrenching (Bad Luck) and being over tired mostly. Live and learn. Experiment with in reason. Hope this helps…

You have to isolate the leak. I am sure you know that. The “I’m Guessing” leads me to ask this question.

Now a little history on my upgrade that may shed some light. I added SE Air Cleaner and Slip on pipes. 1200 jugs and 10:1 pistons. SE Cams and ignition module. Left 883 Heads and carburetor stock. Port and polish on 833 heads will come at a later time.

Runs like a bat out of hell and a lot quicker then a stock 1200. Me happy! Only problem at that time was I was leaking out of Rocker Covers. Gaskets replaced 5 times and ordered new covers. I made it a year before back one started leaking again. Going high speed for long periods it also started puking oil out the air cleaner. Time to SWAG it!
“Scientific Wild Ass Guess”. Besides I was never a believer in routing Oil vapor into the carburetor for disposal. That’s stupid..

I decided to let it breathe better in hopes of creating less pressure in Rocker boxes. I ordered an engine breather oil collector from JP Cycles part#431-335. I went to the Auto store and got some 3/8 inch hose. Back rocker box was leaking so I opened it up cleaned it up and triple checked to make sure it was true. I put in new gasket with a dab of Permatex. I will be directing tainted air into the EBOC and bypassing the carburetor. Since the Carburetor will not assist in sucking out bad air I drilled out and double the size of holes in hollow bolts connecting air cleaner backing plate to heads.

With a hose attached to each hollow bolt I routed them behind the air cleaner backing plate to a T connector. One chrome hose is seen running under the gas tank to EBOC mounted on frame right side with filter even with top of Crash Bar. The filter on EBOC has a top but is exposed on all sides. I figured Crash bar would deflect some water from going into filter on rainy rides. Fired her up and off we go.

First thing I noticed was oil temperature was cooler. I wanted to see how much oil was going into the EBOC so I did not drain it. After a week of riding some Oil started to appear on outside of filter. I drained EBOC to find 97% of it was water. It was full and oil had no place to go but out. .

Next I started to trouble shoot oil leak under the bike. I could not tell if it was from the Oil pump or Primary cover. It would only leak after high speed long hauls. Rock paper scissors the primary cover comes off for new gasket. 2 big mistakes!! I gently pulled the cover. It hung up a little I pulled harder and cover popped off. Cam gear also hit floor. &^%$. Lucky it was one gear. I had to tear into Front rocker to get cam back in. Once cover was off I noticed breather valve was not screwed in its place. It was just lying in the box. Oil Air mix was not filtered in the front.

I put cam gear back in. Closed up and put rocker box back together fastening breather valve. I had not had any problems since. I do empty the EBOC after every 4 or so cold startups to drain water out. On a side note the bike still leaked underneath. It was hose to oil pump. It loosened up enough so I saw were it was coming. I didn’t need to touch primary cover. However with that little mistake I did find the run away breather valve.

Next episode I will tell you how I was putting a fancy cap on my carburetor and my screw driver bit fell off my ratchet and hit the floor and was lost in the garage. It was not until I tried to fire up the bike that I realized it fell into my intake and into the cylinder chamber. I am learnin……..
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Yeah JC,, great story, that's how we learn and pass it on...
Cool to hear that you're doing all you can,, yeah baby...
I route my breathers to my rear chains...

Years ago a screw holding the butterfly valve in a super B came loose and sucked into the motor, couldn't tell which cylinder it was banging around in soo, after several hard accels to try to blow it out, I pulled into my buds shop, I was across town at the time...
Pulled both heads, wasn't there but the evidence of it's banging was in one head chamber, don't remember which... It apparently blew out during the last hard accel and I didn't realize it, no harm done, new gaskets and back together...
A few drinks while it cooled down so I could re-torque the head bolts and solids and on the road again,,,,, stuff happens...
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That high tempered tantrum screw bit took out my intake valve damaged top and side of piston. It also etched its presence on the cylinder wall and head. All were beyond repair. I figured it would be a good time to slip into the next shoe size (1200) since half needed to be replaced. My wife thinks I did it on purpose. I got most of my bit back. Cleaned and polished. Tough little bastard!
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Okay- Digging in the past before we were converted to the new forum. This was back in 06.

I have an update. My EBOC JP Cycles part#431-335 is a spendy piece of crap! I have been dealing with some issues with it and after this weekends run I pulled it off and boxed it for good. *&^%$# is on the shelf with the rest of the misfits. At first it worked good. When temps were below 50 it was great. When it rains or you run in hot weather hard....

You can see the breather canister connected right side of bike on my down tube behind my crash bars. See in Members pics.

Instead of the rocker boxes venting gases and oil into the carb via heads. I routed it into the breather canister. I did this because after a 80 mile runs going 70 to 80 mphs I noticed oil dripping from air cleaner. Also I prefer a cleaner burn. I would empty a few times a week.

Well when it is raining out water gets sucked in through the filter fills up the canister in a few seconds. Mixes with the oil and out the filter it comes all over the right side.

When its hot and running hard the oil hot air mixes it expands into a thick yellow brown milk shake and comes out filter all over the right side of the bike. Way bigger mess then before. This time the Rhino snot mix was catching the wind and hitting me in the Sunburned face.

I cut up the old Screaming Beagle back plate to fit this Brether kit. So since I $hit Canned the breather I had to get a whole new kit at 140.00

Consider it a $250.00 plus learning excercise. Son of a ........

If they changed the Baffles in the canister it could work??? Oh well piss on it!
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Since I pulled the breather I had to adjust the carb. Turned out the Slow speed jet about 1/2 turn. The Carb farts started when the breather was pulled. I am okay now. I guess with the hot exhaust/oil being recycled back through the carb I needed a touch more gas at slow speeds.

Also... I do believe I lost a little power. I can feel it when I twist it. I am tempted to put the breather back on just to verify that. I can feel the loss "Seat of the Pants". I am also running a little hotter. About 5 degrees since I pulled it. I have a analog temp stick in my oil bag. Thats what I have been going by the last few years. Its been pretty consistant.

The canister could work if it was desinged a little better. Maybe its time to play around a bit...

No more brown elephant snot all over me. Guess I gained sumtin...
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I was thinking of using the same part, but a grey beard told me to run the bike with the oil bag 0.5 to .75 quarts low from full. Sience then I have had no problem in any temp. Before it would blow oil all over and choke the carb when I ran 90+ for over 20 miles.
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Yeah I have been doing the same HotRod... Running with a little less oil. So far so good. Problem is I believe the long hose to the breather canister had benifits.

Bike ran 5 degrees cooler. My guess its because its not sucking in hot air from the heads.

Ran faster. No contaminated fuel mixture with the Oil and hot air.

I believe the rocker boxes vented more efficently out the long hose and didn't suck much back in.

Bike does run different since I pulled it off.
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good idear, let me know after a few more miles, I may do the same. I was going to put on an oil cooler that goes just before the filter, my buddie did and in the summer it worked great, but on the frosty ball$ ride he found the engine would not reach operating temp, and the engine light stayed on. Maybe I'll put it on in the heat of the summer and take it off when the weather cools.

Anyway, rambling, let us know how it works out.
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