I believe that it should be an individual decision based on ones particular circumstance and mindset. I am vehemently, adamantly, diametrically opposed to government protecting me from myself or raising my children vicariously in government schools and through the invasive legislation of a Nanny State.
However, having had said that - I also feel that I have the right to keep my money unto mine own self and that I choose to not pay, through no fault of my own, unnecessarily inflated insurance rates, or for your medical bills, or for a lifetime of disability benefits and after care in your now vegetative state, also of your choosing, having had spilled you brains all over the yellow line. All in all Id have to say, hell yeh, I’m fine with that. Your dilemma is not my quagmire, so if “ID” feels good, by all means, do it!
Hotrodsporty, I've said exactly the same thing you did and they thought I was crazy! Sorry servicarrider you speak of inflated insurance rates, medical bills, and disability benefits etc,etc that shouldn't be coming out of your pocket. Well lets see now. Mexicans coming over the border and getting free medical, welfare, food stamps, Lunch programs for kids who have parents that are to lazy to get off their asses and go to work,corporate subsidies, welfare recipients who use hospital emergency rooms for their doctors visits etc, etc. Gee, I wonder who's paying for that? The tactic that they're using is called brainwashing. It's just another way of trying to force helmets on us! And also statistics show that there are states that don't have helmet laws where the death rate has actually dropped and states that have helmet laws where the death rate has actually increased. So much for Peters line of bull****! Oh! And she also claims to be an avid rider! Prove it Peters!
I'm glad to see some of you coming to your senses. I ALWAYS wear a full face helmet, leather and boots no matter how hot it is or where I'm going. But I could care less if you choose not too. That's why I live where I do and will fight to keep that freedom.
And ----- I also say if a folk spills his/her brains in a riding accident or Sky-diving or car driving or water-skiing or Mountain Climbing or Snow-Skiing or Bicycle riding or Square Dancing or well,, you get the point Yes.??
There are an incredible amount of activties that folk get hurt doing that nobody is bitching about when having to taking care of the participant..
It should not be my tax dollars or inflated Ins. rate that supports that unfortunate being for ever..
DO Not confuse what I just said with very costly emergency or rescue costs..
I am by no means rich but dammit I pay over 600 a month for me and Sweet Petunias health Ins.. If I can the flakes can too..
__________________ "Fill your hands you son of a bitch"
Rooster Cogburn
Id, from the abstracted Freudian theory; “Id, ego, and super-ego.” In part, and reduced to its simplest form, what is now commonly referred to as, “Instant Gratification,“ the “I Factor,” and thus my term “if Id feels good, do it. Just a play on words that I thought might apply here.
Well lets see now. Mexicans coming over the border and getting free medical, welfare, food stamps, Lunch programs for kids who have parents that are to lazy to get off their asses and go to work,corporate subsidies, welfare recipients who use hospital emergency rooms for their doctors visits etc, etc. Gee, I wonder who's paying for that?
For the sake of argument…
I assume that you are firmly ensconced in you beliefs and in what it is that you have said, in that you have posted it twice. For effect, one might reasonably ask? Or am I just being cynical in my affectation?
Although, only remotely related to the original topic of this thread I couldn’t agree with you more in what you have stated here, and again, it only serves to bolster my pervious position. What you speak of, are in fact, the chickens coming home to roost, the fruits of the misjudgments of others, politicians and industrialist alike, in matters of which, without great and concerted effort, we have very little control or even influence over. In other words, that in which, as it turns out, we are both in strong opposition to. Again, I reiterate, I don’t agree with such, and I can now see , as is evidenced by your words, that you are in total agreement with me, in that regard. And as you have already expressed agreement with me in that aspect, and in that I can see that you too, not unlike myself, also, firmly believe in the right, not just of your opinion, but to voice it as well. Having had said that, and although differing somewhat in the presentation of such, I really don’t see to many degrees of separation between our two schools of thought Ergo, we are, it would outwardly seem, more in agreement, than not.
However, for the purposes of furthering your position you seem to conveniently overlook, with not so much as a cursory retort, the line where I state emphatically that I believe that the use, or not ,of helmets, above all else, it is , in my view, 100% a matter of personal choice. I would not have thought that I could not have made that point any more clear than I did. I see now, in that, I was mistaken.
What also comes into play here and maybe serves to muck up the waters, just a little, is the fact that, I, as well as yourself, have that same and very equal freedom of choice. Or would you take that from me, too? I choose to continue to vehemently, and at every opportunity, oppose paying for the judgment, or more importantly and consequential, what I may in my, hopefully, considered to some degree of due diligence, “opinion” perceive to be the misjudgments of others, especially in matters of which I have no real influence over and I would suggest to you that yourself, in turn, have an equal right to do such, as your believes would lead you to do.
Furthermore, I proffered here, varied sides of a singular proposition, the Devils advocate as it were, solely in an attempt to stimulate discussion. It would appear, as if in that regard at least, the ploy was, indeed, moderately successful.
As for Peters purported line of bull****! I could really care less what she has to say.
There go a few minutes of my life that I’ll never get back!
Ah, um, ah jeeeze, I just tried to count the commas and my calculator broke..!
Oooh yea, I remember the ID.. I haven't heard that word since my Coffee House days on Grant St. in S.F. in the 60's.. I see it is still being used Psuedo-intellectually..
Fun play on words though..!!
__________________ "Fill your hands you son of a bitch"
Rooster Cogburn
Last edited by frisco-rigid; 04-05-2008 at 01:25 PM.
I wear the helmet any ride I do, any day, any time.
Have done down twice and the helmet both times trashed so they were just to throw to hell, but better that than my head. Helmets are replaceable, that ain't my head.
__________________ Live fast- live long and rides like hell- that's me
But follow my logic (and tell me why some folks don't see it):
1. Universal health care is instituted
2. bureaucracy grows, taxes go up
3. The feds develop a board licensing doctors, taking it out of state hands
4. bureaucracy grows, taxes go up
5. The licensing process becomes so lengthy due to disorganized bureaucracy
6. bureaucracy grows, taxes go up.
7. To "ease" the difficulty, the federal government nationalizes medical schools
8. bureaucracy grows, taxes go up.
9. To ease cost overruns, the federal government institutes "minimum safety standards" for universal health-care payout
10. bureaucracy grows, taxes go up.
11. A federal adminstration is formed to administer and monitor these safety standards
12. bureaucracy grows, taxes go up.
13. The HCA (Health Care Administration) commissions a study on how to reduce costs through safe practices.
14. bureaucracy grows, taxes go up.
15. Minimum safety-gear standard for certain activities and outright banning of others is instituted if you want to maintain your coverage.
16. bureaucracy grows, taxes go up.
17. Safety gear manufacture must meet federal standards. HCA creates new branch and hires inspectors.
18. bureaucracy grows, taxes go up.
19. Private companies can't afford high government standards and go out of business.
20. bureaucracy grows, taxes go up.
21. Government "contracts" out safety gear manufacture to the lowest bidder
22. bureaucracy grows, taxes go up.
23. More manufacturers go out of business
24. bureaucracy grows, taxes go up.
25. Government "licenses" retailers to sell safey gear.
26. bureaucracy grows, taxes go up.
27. Non-licensed retailers go out of busienss as they can't compete.
28. bureaucracy grows, taxes go up.
30. Backlogs at few remaining licensed vendors get so heavy that huge lines, waiting periods, and lengthy paper work are not out of the ordinary
29. bureaucracy grows, taxes go up... bureaucracy grows, taxes go up... bureaucracy grows, taxes go up...
30. Freedom diminishes
You get the point. What you end up with is crappy health care that you end up paying the same $600 (referenced by Frisco) for in taxes. You get told what you can and can't do. You get told what to wear while you do it. You are told where to buy it. Private industry fails, state industry thrives, etc... etc... etc...
And I agree, it's an extreme example... but tell me you can't see it happening.
__________________ ===================== Rob 2007 FXDB San Diego, CA
John 1:14
It is the duty of nations, as well as of men, to own their dependence upon the overruling power of God, to confess their sins and transgressions, in humble sorrow, yet with assured hope that genuine repentance will lead to mercy and pardon; and to recognize the sublime truth announced in the Holy Scriptures and proven by all history, that those nations only are blessed whose God is the LORD. ----Abraham Lincoln
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