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Old 08-15-2008, 03:35 PM
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Yesterday the NY Times ran and article titled "Deaths of Motorcyclists Rise Again"

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http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/15/us...=1&oref=slogin
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Old 08-15-2008, 04:15 PM
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They didn't mention how many more women are riding now days. From what I've seen, only N.Az, there are more wrecks from women riding big Heritage Softails or other Softails with a real low saddle height than any others. Of course the rental fleet gets really banged up, but not killed. I love the fact that more women are in the drivers seat now, but getting your license on a 250cc bike then jumping on a 800# bike just seems sketchy. There are many old folks who haven't rode in years out on the road for sure but most of them just cause traffic pile ups by going 40 mph on a 60 mph road. They even slow the motorhomes down to a crawl. That's dangerous!
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Old 08-15-2008, 05:09 PM
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Within the past month or two I found myself in a situation with rice rocket riders who cant ride to save themselves. One group of 3 riders were chasing each other and decided they had to blast by me on my left and then exit immediately to the right. I was in center lane. The last idiot realized he couldnt make the exit without cutting me off and thats exactly what he did. If I hadnt the experience he might have taken us both out. I had to brake real hard and shift lane position to avoid this idiot.

Second one was 5 rice rockets with 5 idiots splitting lanes at about 80-90mph. 3 made the next exit 2 didnt. I dont understand how you ride with a group of buddies and then do dumb sh** and lose half of them on the road. Future road pizza for sure. Botz.
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Old 08-15-2008, 08:55 PM
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My experience is much like Botz's. Crotch rockets and dangerous riding. Most of the accidents in this area involve crotch rockets OR folks in my age group (50+) that have taken up riding again. But crotch rocket accidents lead the way in accidents and fatalities. Most kids on these rockets can't handle the capabilities of these superbikes and far exceed their capabilities causing bad things to happen. The folks just returning to riding are just out of practice and most don't bother to take the MSF or Riders Edge courses. More bikes on the road due to gas prices as well and cagers are still inattentive. Be safe ya'll and have a great weekend.
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And just wait till they factor in all the increases in the scooter sector it grew at 48 %. They sell they as Safe and fuel efficent so most of the riders go fashion not saftey for the riding gear.

Funny Bicycle deaths are way up here but no saftey campaigns etc, we have a very large voacal and well connected bicycle lobby here. But for motorcycles they keep bring up front plates, as a safety measure, funny most of the speed camera take pics from the front, all that revenue oops safety.
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That kind of article PO's me a lot. Of course MC deaths are going to go up. More riders means more accidents and more deaths. It doesn't compare the MC miles ridden per death verses auto miles ridden per death. I think MC riding is getting more dangerous of course as traffic gets more insane but that article just takes one little statistic and puts this Fear of God thang out there without a even a decent statistical analysis. It makes me wonder who wrote that and why did they write it.
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Old 08-17-2008, 09:21 AM
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I feel the article has a couple valid points, but overall when a journalist starts spitting out statistics there's an agenda. Whether it's motorcycles, guns, etc. they have their own interests in mind. Where I live, in rural Tennessee there has been a large increase in motorcycle riding. A lot of people have to drive 30 miles or greater to work. I now use the motorcycle a lot more than my truck due to gas prices and my trips are generally planned instead of spur of the moment. Yes, with more bikes on the road, more deaths WILL occur (not rocket science). The helmet law (all though controversial) I believe saves lives in many cases. I can't understand why a state (like Florida) has a strict seat belt law, but allows riding without helmets. It just doesn't make sense to me.
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From what I've read hear in CT, seems like a majority are sport bikes.
Kids must be watching too much Superbikes on Speed channel and think riding on the rear tire at highway speeds is okay. You don't even have to have a license to buy a street bike here.
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I seem to remember reading about a country that has a progressive license. You start out being allowed to ride a bike only up to so many CC's, then as you have another year or two you get to up the engine size by so many CC's, like: 400 and under -> 600 -> 1000 -> Unlimited.

I also blame some of the cars and SUV's they make. Huge blind spots and quieter cabins don't make it easier for us to be seen and heard.

The texting phenomenon isn't helping. They made using a cell illegal, but then you could at least say they had their heads up and eyes on the road. Now they're looking down and trying to type "cya l8r, bff" while they pilot a ton-and-a-half or more of machinery down the road,

There seems to be some "boys in packs = stupid" mentality that develops with some of the squids on the rockets. I almost never see a single sport bike rider doing something extremely stupid, any more than I've seen non-sport bike riders doing stupid stuff. But put them in a pack and their riding IQ seems to lower as speed increases.

I really try not to lump them all together, or get biased against them, because there are lots of great sport bike riders out there; but you can only see so much before you start seeing more hash marks on the idiot list you keep in your head on the sport bike squids side.

It's been estimated that 25% of bikers don't have their motorcycle endorsements! But the rules for getting a license are so non-standard, even more so from state to state than cars. Some require a course, but coughing up $300+ for a course isn't always easy for someone that just laid out a few hundred for a used bike to save on $4@gal. gas.
Other states require you can get a learners permit, but can only ride if you have someone else there riding next to you that has a license. In this busy world who has time to find someone that isn't busy so you can get a few dozen hours of riding in. Some states recommend a minimum of 10 hours before taking the bike test. 10 hours?!
Some states let you ride alone on a permit between dawn and dusk, and other states figure if you can drive a car you must be able to drive a bike.

I don't know what the answer is, but there's got to be some happy mediums.

- Work the cost of the course into a bike purchase, even make it a non-interest part of the loan.

- Make the discount for taking a course, new rider or not, more than 10%, at least for the first 2 or 3 years, especially in states where the rates aren't reasonable. I pay $108@yr for great insurance, but a friend of mine in Mass. pays $1200+@yr for the not quite the same level of insurance I have.

- Make state riders' tests standard. In my state they're more worried about low speed control, so we get to drive around the block, then the focus on us doing a bunch of circles and figure-8's without putting our feet down. But in another state they seem to have tests that are something like: "First, you have to put your forehead on the butt end of this baseball bat, put the other end of the bat on the ground. Now, run yourself in circles around it until I say, 'Stop!' Then, I want you to ride your bike as fast as you can toward this here wall. When you get to the second orange cone you can put on the brakes. If you don't hit the wall, or lay the bike down, you pass."

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Old 08-17-2008, 03:15 PM
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Last week I took a buddy of mine to take his NY State mcy road test. He has an 07 Wide Glide he bought brand new last year. He had ridden years ago and gotten into a bad wreck with his Harley Dragster and quit riding for about 15 years. He's got the bug obviously again and I took him for the test. Four other bike riders were present for the test. 2 women and two young guys. The girls rode fairly well for beginners but the young guys were attrocious. I could not believe the NYS DMV Rep passed these two guys. They were sloppy and the look of terror on their faces was priceless. I hope they go slow and learn. Otherwise I fear what may happen. The one guy overshot a right turn, crossed the double yellow and was traveling on wrong side of road before he corrected. HE STILL PASSED!!! I dunno but I think I would be stricter as a DMV tester regarding bikes. Hope they all do well when they go play in traffic. Botz
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