Obama by Bill Brown

Ummm, wow...yeah! What clif02 said is exactly what I wanted to convey only he did it soooooo well, and with more detail than I could provide.
We are still a free country, for now, and the opinion of the masses will be shown at the polls. That is unless we have another "dangling chad" problem. I still think that was a bunch of hooey created to manipulate the outcome. (My opinion)

The following is the signature of a member on another great Harley related site.
Everytime I read his signature, I can't help but think of how true it is and how I feel that we all are witnessing it's warning right now.

"The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism, but under the name of liberalism they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program until one day America will be a socialist nation without ever knowing how it happened" -Norman Thomas,American Socalist

I sincerely hope he does not get mad at me for posting it here, it is soo appropriate here though......

Oh yeah, I second frisco's post! Way to go!

[4cams]

You can argue about the merits of each one of these guys but I keep things simple as I can. To be Commander an Chief, first you need to be a veteran, a combat vet would be best. History has proven that it is better to know what lies ahead than hope for the best. IMO

[shovelmike]

Originally Posted by BexSoCal

I gotta disagree, as would the founding fathers who wanted God as far away from influencing this Government as possible.

Also, I am not a Christian. By God do you mean your God? If so that too is a truly unAmerican and very offensive comment. It goes against everything that brought about the formation of this great nation, The Freedom to Worship Freely.

Typical liberal misapplication of the term, "separation of church and state".
My God is the god who sent his son Jesus to die in my place. If one chooses
not to accept such a gracious gift it is their right.
Separation of church and state means that church attendance is not required by law as the forefathers experienced in England under the Anglican church.



A government leader who will not turn to God for guidance and wisdom I do not need.

[1haugster1340]

I am no supporter of either candidate. Both are members of the Council on Foreign Relations, as I have said before. The Patriot Act and Homeland Security were already written up and ready to be passed by Congress before Sept. 11, 2001. These are the last days!

Originally Posted by shovelmike

Typical liberal misapplication of the term, "separation of church and state".
My God is the god who sent his son Jesus to die in my place. If one chooses
not to accept such a gracious gift it is their right.
Separation of church and state means that church attendance is not required by law as the forefathers experienced in England under the Anglican church.



A government leader who will not turn to God for guidance and wisdom I do not need.

WOW! I'm disappointed and saddened by this.

I've only said nice things about people and I thought I liked it here but I guess this is a Christian Only Forum.

I thought it was a Motorcycle Forum but I guess I'm wrong.

Since I am not now nor have I ever been a Christian I am clearly not welcome here.

I'm curious how that relates to motorcycles but I am certain this forum and this magazine is not for me.

Brightest Blessing everyone.

[frisco-rigid]

Hmmm, obviously not paying attention to where these posts are..

I wonder if lack of attention is a common trait of fire-arms and use of force instructors that also happen to be a computer scientist, mechanical engineer, mathematician, arobatic pilot with a mensa grade IQ.?
Hmmm??? Did I leave anything out.?

Yes, this is a Motorsickle Forum..

BUT, this thread is in the "Other Topics" sub-forum and in the "Off Topics" section of that.. Jeeeze,, open yer eyes..

Do you pay as little attention when you ride.? (End up in Guatemala or sumpin..)

What a shame, never did answer my questions about what's soo good about liberalism and soo bad about Conservatism..


1haughster----- gee man, I sure hope I can convince you to help us elect the LEAST offensive of these guys (Mccain), cuz if we lose this, it will indeed be our last days..

Bex, This thread is under "other topics". This is where we discuss things other than motorcycles. In reply to the initial thread you stated your opinion. Others followed up with their opinion. I haven't seen anyone say anything bad about you, they just disagreed with your opinion. Frisco did ask you some questions. We do that among ourselves quite often here. Nothing wrong with that. Being a non christian does not disqualify you from forum participation but if you state your opinion be ready for others to state thiers. You obviously lean towards being a liberal. The biggest problem I see with liberals is if you don't agree with them they take thier ball and go home ending the day or try like hell to make you look bad, make your life miserable and ruin you. This isn't a slam on you, just the way I see it. The Gay Movement and PETA are prime examples of this. At the end of the day wehether we agree or disagree we're all Americans (except for the millions of illegals here) and thats another one of the things that makes America great, freedom of speech and the ability to agree to disagree.

[evoKENevo]

I hate to see religion come between friends,business relations,and/or governing factions,etc. One of our basic fundemental rights is the FREEDOM of religion...and IMO, the most important aspect of a polititical candidates qualifictions should be in his or her understanding of WHAT'S right & wrong.

Folks, I for ONE could'nt care less if our President were an atheist (example) as long as he or she is HONEST (good luck with that one) and RATIONAL with an eye on what's GOOD & FAIR for EVERYONE in the LONG run. I just don't see ANY of that in Obama. What I do see is what's listed in my original post here..........

As for Bex's expose' of Obama being MORE SPECIFIC in his plan/proposals on alternative fuels,than McCain,via Fact Finders ?? Uhh,well...B.F.D.!! I mean how in the hell (excuse my pun) can the S.O.B. be so specific at THIS point. He's NOT and hopefully WON'T be in office. The funds he's TALKING about have NOT been appropriated/allocated as yet. Hell (opps again) he's got NOTHING concrete...except in his PAST performance..,and, "charisma" of course.

Like frisco sez..in so many other words..gotta look at the WHOLE picture AND objectively.

Oh..and in keeping with what others have stated here...this IS off topic.
Let's everybody try to keep Church,State & Cycle issues seperate ok !?!

[JCourneyaP]

I was waiting for PeterV and his animated Popcorn eating Icon.

Frisco...Guatemala?? How the hell did you come up with that country? I have no idea why I am laughing my butt off.....Guatemala or sumpin..Geez thats good humor.

Wether you are Conservative, Liberal, Christian or Pagan. You stand behind yer beliefs! If you have a tizzy and run as soon as the temp goes up "Do You" really believe in what yer slingin?......Bex I am surprised at you!!!!

If you believe...... stand tall and Sound Off. Running is for the unsure........

And Santa Claus is real........

[BlueBob]

Originally Posted by Fenderplayer

I think as a country and a free society, we may be circling the drain. When we've thrown God out of our society, we look to government to take his place. We may be getting what we've asked for as a Godless society. Even though personally, none of us have asked for it.

Ever gone throught the Truth Project? Straight out of the lesson on the State.